Working +2's into +3..why is everyone linked to the same gu
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islander1
18:52:07, 27.12.18

So I have 3 +2 players I want to promote to +3, eventually.

Problem is, they are all linked to the same guy, who is actually one of these three players at +2.

I've never fully understood how this system worked, since you magically have one player who is going to get mad for 3-4 other players.

What are the best techniques for working around this mess?

starsnostars
23:22:35, 01.01.19

On both my A and B teams every -3 loyalty player is tied to the player I upgraded last season (from -3). I'm not sure how system works either but its frustrating.

refused
23:08:17, 03.01.19

Simply click on the Players page here:
Basic info | Players | Stadium | Calendar | Press news | History

and see the highest 'ranked' players to go down on top. The further down to bottom, the least possible he is going to drop.

And some variables to consider:
- a player can only drop loyalty, if he played at least 100 minutes during league games (non-goalie)
- a player can only drop loyalty, if he played at least 10 games during league games (non-goalie)

If you have all players the same age it's no problem to do loyalty management that way. It gets a bit different when you have multiple ages, but if you have players aged 27 27 27 27 28 28 28 28 29 29 29 29, then always the highest ranked 27, 28 or 29yo player will drop (when played enough during league games and not already -3 loyalty).

refused
23:12:20, 03.01.19

For example with my players, I had my guy Karsten Braber with +3 loyalty as 2nd ranked guy. My first ranked guy had -3 loyalty at the time, so I could play Karsten Braber freely for 100 minutes and 10 games per season and let him take the minus loyalty 5 times. It didnt matter at all that he had only 60 quality, only thing of importance was the rank on that page.

islander1
21:39:57, 04.01.19

Oh wow. This explains it. Holy cow.

So the drawback is if you want to avoid a couple players, you basically have to bench them for a season, right?

At least the #2 guy on my list isn't one of my core players, but the #1 guy is.

Overall, this is a lame mechanic. It should be randomly generated, not all on one player. At least I know two of my 4-5 core guys I wanted to work from 2 to 3 won't be targeted - or do these standings change?

Refused: Thanks you for the current explanation. Is this static or does it change from year to year/week to week?

islander1
21:44:16, 04.01.19

oh wait, are you saying that the order on that page never changes, unless you sign new players that randomly go above him?

If THAT is the case, then damn it. The guy I moved to +3 is at the top of the list.
The second guy on the roster is a +2, but not a core player. I could sacrifice him if that ranking never changes?

refused
00:03:17, 05.01.19

islander1 21:44:16, 04.01.19 oh wait, are you saying that the order on that page never changes, unless you sign new players that randomly go above him?

If THAT is the case, then damn it. The guy I moved to +3 is at the top of the list.
The second guy on the roster is a +2, but not a core player. I could sacrifice him if that ranking never changes?


Yes. Drawback is that you have to bench your #1 player for the first 11 games of the season.

refused
00:05:45, 05.01.19

Bonus-addition: it's also the way the players get picked when a PK line player gets a penalty and there is only a single PK line set.

starsnostars
23:07:44, 05.01.19

Thanks for sharing.

My B Team's regular line-up consists of 18 and 19 year old players (and one 17 year old). Your observation is correct for the the 19 year olds, with Firth, my captain (at -2 loyalty, second on my list of players and first among those players that have played 10 or more games), being the target for dropping loyalty when boosting other 19 year olds.

However all three of my 18 year olds are linked to different players (including one linked to 19yo Firth). I have 3 18 year olds that have played 20 games/300 minutes and another 5 that have played at least 10 games/100 minutes.

08:21:45, 06.01.19

@starsnostar I believe this is what Refused mentioned here

It gets a bit different when you have multiple ages, but if you have players aged 27 27 27 27 28 28 28 28 29 29 29 29, then always the highest ranked 27, 28 or 29yo player will drop (when played enough during league games and not already -3 loyalty).

starsnostars
16:43:47, 06.01.19

I know. I'm just pointing out, assuming I'm interpreting that correctly, that my results with my 18yos contradict that.

islander1
16:29:25, 07.01.19

refused 00:03:17, 05.01.19 islander1 21:44:16, 04.01.19 oh wait, are you saying that the order on that page never changes, unless you sign new players that randomly go above him?

If THAT is the case, then damn it. The guy I moved to +3 is at the top of the list.
The second guy on the roster is a +2, but not a core player. I could sacrifice him if that ranking never changes?

Yes. Drawback is that you have to bench your #1 player for the first 11 games of the season.


At first I didn't understand this, but now I do.
Essentially you have to sit him 11 games - or long enough to get your desired player the loyalty upgrade. So if you have a player who misses 4 games with injury, you would functionally have to sit the +3 guy for 15 games.

Of course, you can judge this on the fly. You can see after 10 games how you're doing. If you sit player X for the first 11 games, you have 9 more games to figure out if you have to sit him again.

Looks like I am going to end up having a +3 guy with not a ton of experience. Oh well, I am super appreciative of the fact I finally understand how this works. I also know to buy random guys in hopes someone will be +3 and old he can start eating the damage instead.

refused
17:54:02, 07.01.19

I would hunt for players who are high ranked on their own team already, and let us know if that helps in searching for suitable players. (It's a guess you have a better chance for them to be high ranked on your own team also.)

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refused
17:58:39, 07.01.19

starsnostars 16:43:47, 06.01.19 I know. I'm just pointing out, assuming I'm interpreting that correctly, that my results with my 18yos contradict that.

That's possible, I only extensively tested it out with same age waves (using it for the 3rd time now). Could you please share if you find any logic? I am not planning to do any testing with different ages myself.

islander1
18:37:16, 07.01.19

refused 17:54:02, 07.01.19 I would hunt for players who are high ranked on their own team already, and let us know if that helps in searching for suitable players. (It's a guess you have a better chance for them to be high ranked on your own team also.)

Exactly my thinking. I started looking in the market for cheap/washed up players on sale and cross checking. Worst case scenario he's a +2.

starsnostars
23:19:58, 19.01.19

With my B team I managed to pick up a +2 player that's second my list. The first player on my list share the same last name. Lee and Nelson Knowles. Might just be coincidence I don't know. There's no pattern that I can see.


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