B TEAM - The last axe onto HO (small countries)
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19:16:19, 08.09.17

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motorider
11:06:58, 13.09.17

Default 19:16:19, 08.09.17 "Spam is flooding the internet with many copies of the same message"

You have been writing the same messages repeatedly for several weeks. You need a doctor because we cannot help you with your problems...


My friend, I'm sorry for my English. Again, the problem it's almost sure mine. I cannot pass or you don't understand it...

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Peace.

fabian
10:06:22, 17.09.17

this B teams are simple like teams in real world. Lower skills countries needs experience trainers to be able to play with the world elite...

Temm
20:31:39, 18.10.17

I wanted to wait a bit and think about this before I responded. I realize my view of the B team is highly influenced by my wish to see all world countries represented in HA.

I don't like the idea of the B team. It is a designed add-on solution that doesn't match the problem statement HA felt required to fix, and it affects other aspects of the game it didn't need to.

The problem statement could be to determine how to make the GMs in smaller countries have a more enjoyable gaming experience by making their divisions more competitive. Or could it be to only simply make their divisions more competitive? Or could it be to only simply make their gaming experience more enjoyable? Clarifying the problem statement would do wonders in clarifying the consideration of solutioning options.

We have been given a B team construct, which doesn't have a good real life equivalent. The closest thing I could think of is the San Jose Sharks sponsoring of the China Dragon a few years back. GMs that have indulged in having a B team have done so because they either have time to spend and experiment with a second team or feel an obligation to help HA in their efforts to make divisions for smaller countries more competitive. It is awkward.

My problem with it, as I mentioned above, stems from its introducing obstacles to supporting representation of all world countries. The HA front page still states that new countries are regularly added (right?) and a new one hasn't been added since before 2007. I think HA would benefit from having all countries represented there. This idea is less of a concern then other pressing issues given the reduced player base at the moment, but it is still something I would press for.

The B team does prevent obstacles for bringing on new countries. A new country will have very few starting GMs and would need competitive support, but with the B teams having been put in place before, there would be few willing to drop the investment they now have with their current B team to take on a B team in the new country to support them. And even those that would be willing to switch don't have an easy mechanism for doing so. The addition of new countries would further dilute the GMs that have B teams across that many more countries and the concept of making their experience more competitive would be lost. Now that B teams are established, it might upset an unknown percentage of paying players if they were ultimately removed.

Does the B team fulfill a solution to its problem statement? I mentioned above either the need to make GMs gaming experience more enjoyable or the need to make the divisions more competitive. Does the B team fulfill either of these, or could something else be a better solution?

It has been previously mentioned that one way of resolving increased competitiveness in smaller nations would be to amalgamate smaller nations in to one or more nation group hierarchies - whether by continent or the rest of the world. Although this seems to take away from the feeling of nationalism as these would not have their own country hierarchy, it is both more inclusive for all nations and allows more competitiveness in the divisions therein. I would ask, though, that all individual countries, whether they be in their own hierarchy or not, are still eligible to compete in all international competitions.

I'd be willing to listen to other suggestions as to how to fix what problem statement(s) I am assuming it/them to be.

The B team was also provided as an extra for those with paying accounts. I don't think there is much value in a B team and it is providing other unintended consequences that the developer had to scramble for - such as not allowing trading between these teams, not allowing scouting between the teams' players, etc. - all which aren't perfect foils to such inappropriate activity. If GMs want a second team to play with, allow them entry to the beta (or shard it out if resources are available.)

The C team concept and its value does intrigue me. B teams on the other hand is something I've never had a good feeling about. It is an experiment done on a production environment.

smiler
12:22:16, 21.10.17

You might not like the idea of B team but there have been lot of managers who wanted for example to play more games in one day as they found boring to manage just one team and play "just" 7 matches per week. There are also managers playing leagues which are very competative and have big division structure so they can not play with young players or they play on own players but then they do not play high divisions regularly. All of this and many more is now possible with B team.

There is no new countries because the community is decreasing and the empty native managers leagues would be all around if you open again some countries just for 1-2 local managers. Iice-hockey is a minor sport , it is not so popular like football. Still there is missing promotion from game developer from the start of the game as most of this promote work did his friends or community.

Agree merge smaller leagues into big one would be better solution.

Still I do not agree it is so much unfair for new local managers in the legaues where B teams were installed. Look at my country, we have 8 divisions and still there are lot of people who enjoy the game even playing 6th division. All countries affected by B teams have maximum division 3rd - III. Even new manager can easily promote his team at least to 2nd division and finally there might be some pride to promote and fight about survive in the highest league. Till then there was totally different problem and that was it was too easy to play in smaller countries so most of the managers took as certain thing to play the highest division lot of them left the game because it was too boring to play again the bots and still there were 2-3 superior teams so they were unable to win the title in I.division and there was nothing else to play for. Now new managers can finally feel some joy to promote the team even to II.division when just few seasons back they would get a new team and sitting middle table in I.division.

Me personally I do not like idea of making C team because it is going change the game totally as it is planned just for sponsors again but while B team is totally new team with almost no benefit for your A team , C teams will make huge benefits for sponsors.

18:47:07, 21.10.17

smiler 12:22:16, 21.10.17
as it is planned just for sponsors again .


It is not set for sure yet.

smiler
18:54:42, 21.10.17

Geistero 18:47:07, 21.10.17 smiler 12:22:16, 21.10.17
as it is planned just for sponsors again .

It is not set for sure yet.


if icko makes C team free for all = decrease of B teams ... in few years just few B teams = loss of money. As Icko is currently making all the major changes just to favour sponsors I doubt this revolution will be available for all managers.
I do not find anything bad to focus just for sponsors as I used to be a sponsor for 9 years and maybe will become one again but I do not like how he is cutting basic functions for non-snponsors. One example for all, he removed the basic table about the manager successes. So now if you do not have a sponsor pack you can not see how you finnished the previous and also last season. It surely also affects elections as you simply can't see anything just trophies of sponsors but you can not see if he ever played with national team and what place did he finnished.

20:12:29, 21.10.17

smiler 18:54:42, 21.10.17 Geistero 18:47:07, 21.10.17 smiler 12:22:16, 21.10.17
as it is planned just for sponsors again .

It is not set for sure yet.

if icko makes C team free for all = decrease of B teams ... in few years just few B teams = loss of money. As Icko is currently making all the major changes just to favour sponsors I doubt this revolution will be available for all managers.
I do not find anything bad to focus just for sponsors as I used to be a sponsor for 9 years and maybe will become one again but I do not like how he is cutting basic functions for non-snponsors. One example for all, he removed the basic table about the manager successes. So now if you do not have a sponsor pack you can not see how you finnished the previous and also last season. It surely also affects elections as you simply can't see anything just trophies of sponsors but you can not see if he ever played with national team and what place did he finnished.


B-team is nothing, but a a legible multi-team for sponsors. C-teams - is a complete system that is deep incorporated into the main A-team gameplay. It will completely change how managers deal with their main A-teams. I really do not understand how it's possible to make C-team only for sponsors. If so, it will be really the end of HA how we know it.

Default
21:20:06, 21.10.17

The C teams must be for all managers. It would be a great (and unfair) advantage if it was only for the sponsors

smiler
01:31:01, 22.10.17

Exactly! It is a big revolution and I warned about this months ago on Czech forum. Remeber the last time Icko went to discussion about opinion about B teams? 80 % managers said NO B team if ONLY for sponsors ... still icko made his way.

So now there should be push for Icko to clearly state C teams are going to be for everybody. It is a big change to the game and it would be against his policy there is no real adventages for sponsor pack owners, still B teams already giving them extra scoutings free attempts and also paid scoutings when they do not play with the team. Small advantage but still advantage.

08:44:06, 22.10.17

smiler 01:31:01, 22.10.17 still B teams already giving them extra scoutings free attempts .

No, B-teams do not give any free attempts, since there are specific restrictions how to use them. B-teams for sponsors is OK, because there is no any advantage for sponsors. B-teams can be used as a farm-clubs, but it's interesting for NTs only, not for individual teams, since again, there are specific restrictions. Maybe it's not enough for someone to manage just one team, and if so, they have to have SP for that. However, having a B-team will not help you with your A-team at all. B-team and A-team gameplays do not intersect with each other. It's fully OK with the "Icko's policy".

C-teams is an absolutely different thing, because C-teams will strongly influence the A-team system. It's not possible to give it to SP-owners only without breaking the HA-policy as it was since 2003. How Icko will deal with that, we'll see.

smiler
10:19:03, 22.10.17

Geistero 08:44:06, 22.10.17 smiler 01:31:01, 22.10.17 still B teams already giving them extra scoutings free attempts .

No, B-teams do not give any free attempts, since there are specific restrictions how to use them. B-teams for sponsors is OK, because there is no any advantage for sponsors. B-teams can be used as a farm-clubs, but it's interesting for NTs only, not for individual teams, since again, there are specific restrictions. Maybe it's not enough for someone to manage just one team, and if so, they have to have SP for that. However, having a B-team will not help you with your A-team at all. B-team and A-team gameplays do not intersect with each other. It's fully OK with the "Icko's policy".

C-teams is an absolutely different thing, because C-teams will strongly influence the A-team system. It's not possible to give it to SP-owners only without breaking the HA-policy as it was since 2003. How Icko will deal with that, we'll see.



My bad about B teams I did not know the restriction.

11:03:43, 22.10.17

smiler 10:19:03, 22.10.17
My bad about B teams I did not know the restriction.


http://www.hockeyarena.net/sk/index.php?p=public_ha_news.php&id=11823

http://www.hockeyarena.net/sk/index.php?p=public_ha_news.php&id=11907

11:04:32, 22.10.17

Geistero 11:03:43, 22.10.17 smiler 10:19:03, 22.10.17
My bad about B teams I did not know the restriction.

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Nova
20:06:59, 22.10.17

Geistero 08:44:06, 22.10.17 smiler 01:31:01, 22.10.17 still B teams already giving them extra scoutings free attempts .

No, B-teams do not give any free attempts, since there are specific restrictions how to use them. B-teams for sponsors is OK, because there is no any advantage for sponsors. B-teams can be used as a farm-clubs, but it's interesting for NTs only, not for individual teams, since again, there are specific restrictions. Maybe it's not enough for someone to manage just one team, and if so, they have to have SP for that. However, having a B-team will not help you with your A-team at all. B-team and A-team gameplays do not intersect with each other. It's fully OK with the "Icko's policy".

C-teams is an absolutely different thing, because C-teams will strongly influence the A-team system. It's not possible to give it to SP-owners only without breaking the HA-policy as it was since 2003. How Icko will deal with that, we'll see.


I can scout my NCHC opponents with my B-team, that is free attempts

smiler
22:33:31, 22.10.17

I do not have B team right now .. about free attempts:

Scouting by B team:

Can you scout A team league games?
Can you scout weak spot of goalies of league A oponnents?

23:14:31, 22.10.17

smiler 22:33:31, 22.10.17 I do not have B team right now .. about free attempts:

Scouting by B team:

Can you scout A team league games?
Can you scout weak spot of goalies of league A oponnents?


No and No.

mikeinportc
18:07:05, 16.11.17

A way to help low pop countries, without B teams is to make the leagues regional rather than by country. Not sure if that would appeal to the original/native managers of those countries.

I'd guess an attraction of B teams would be that managers mired in the lower levels of the highly populated countries, get a chance to see action at the 1.1/NC/NCHC/WL/WC level much sooner. Might be enough to keep them around, giving them hope & interest for the A team, when they might otherwise quit.

mikeinportc
18:08:37, 16.11.17

ps I also would like C teams to be for everybody. Get people hooked, then ask for sponsor support. ;)


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