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topcat33
20:00:09, 27.05.20

Had a bit of time on my hands, so did some analysis of the season 84 groups and teams etc. Everything based on the teams' overall rank in HA.
For example:
Huittisten Huima - rank #1 in HA - (team strength/Avg AI top 17 = 543)
HC Tesla - rank #2 (520)
HC Koretz´s Devils - rank #4 (511)
HC Zagorje Red Miners - rank #5 (511)
etc.

Of the top 26 teams in HA based on the above, 7 don't even get into the World League - those ranked 3rd, 12, 19, 20, 21, 22 and 25.

Yet 2 teams ranked >800 DO play. Just down to relative strength of Leagues really.

Participants (Season 85)
HA Rank / Number of teams
1-100 / 44
101-200 / 18
201-300 / 13
301-400 / 8
401-500 / 6
501-600 / 2 - (teams from Belgium, Colombia)
601-700 / 2 - (Israel, Kazakhstan)
701-800 / 1 - (Lithuania)
800+ / 2 (Kazakhstan, Netherlands)

topcat33
20:09:19, 27.05.20

Group wise, there's a great deal of difference....

Taking the average rank of all 6 teams in each group, we find some "easy" groups and some really difficult ones. In fact in one group the WORST ranked team is 99th in HA. In most other groups they would have been in the 3 strongest teams, but not in this particular group. In fact, they would actually have been the BEST ranked team in one other group!

And the 2 teams ranked outside the top 800 teams in HA? Both somehow end up in the same group!

So, listing the groups by Average ranking of the teams in their group, from easiest to toughest....

Group G - average rank 363
Group E - 311
Group C - 303
Group M - 251 - the one group without a team ranked in the top 100 in HA
Group F - 223
Group D - 214
Group K - 189 - 3 teams in the HA World's top 25 here!
Group B - 187
Group H - 176
Group I - 162
Group O - 146
Group A - 143
Group J - 128

3rd toughest group - Group L - average team rank 122 - - 3 teams in the HA World's top 25 here!

2nd toughest group - Group P - avge 76

And the toughest group for any team to progress from includes the teams with these rankings in the HA World....8th, 14th, 35, 40, 73 and 99
This is GROUP N. The 2 teams advancing from this group will really have earned it!

gbagrami|TR
23:24:40, 27.05.20

Thanks for this work, really interesting! No wonder why I was finding my group (P) unusually tough!!! :O

23:38:49, 11.11.20

What are the tie breaker rules in case of 3-way tie?

08:47:20, 12.11.20

Tvares91 23:38:49, 11.11.20 What are the tie breaker rules in case of 3-way tie?

A 3-way standing that only counts the games between the 3 teams involved. You were -1 in goals differential, Inter 0, Bubbis +1.

Tumeez
22:02:09, 14.11.20

BizzyD 08:47:20, 12.11.20 Tvares91 23:38:49, 11.11.20 What are the tie breaker rules in case of 3-way tie?

A 3-way standing that only counts the games between the 3 teams involved. You were -1 in goals differential, Inter 0, Bubbis +1.


After that Goals scored -> Goals allowed -> Lottery, i guess.

15:34:36, 15.11.20

Tumeez 22:02:09, 14.11.20 BizzyD 08:47:20, 12.11.20 Tvares91 23:38:49, 11.11.20 What are the tie breaker rules in case of 3-way tie?

A 3-way standing that only counts the games between the 3 teams involved. You were -1 in goals differential, Inter 0, Bubbis +1.

After that Goals scored -> Goals allowed -> Lottery, i guess.


I'm not sure what comes after goals scored. Definitely not goals allowed as it would be redundant. If you got to this point goals allowed are the same for the teams compared (because goal diff and goals scored are the same).

Bertuzzi44
22:18:51, 09.05.21

In the last season's promotion stat, 4 Hungarian teams were counted for this season into the World League but I'm not there! Can anyone tell why?

grillmaster
06:39:03, 10.05.21

Bertuzzi44 22:18:51, 09.05.21 In the last season's promotion stat, 4 Hungarian teams were counted for this season into the World League but I'm not there! Can anyone tell why?

Same happened to me. 2 USA teams were supposed to be in and I came in 2nd in USA playoff but I am missing from WL.

08:18:57, 10.05.21

grillmaster 06:39:03, 10.05.21 Bertuzzi44 22:18:51, 09.05.21 In the last season's promotion stat, 4 Hungarian teams were counted for this season into the World League but I'm not there! Can anyone tell why?

Same happened to me. 2 USA teams were supposed to be in and I came in 2nd in USA playoff but I am missing from WL.


sry only 1 from USA this season:

https://snipboard.io/K8Vbhr.jpg

08:20:20, 10.05.21

Bertuzzi44 22:18:51, 09.05.21 In the last season's promotion stat, 4 Hungarian teams were counted for this season into the World League but I'm not there! Can anyone tell why?

3 hungary

https://snipboard.io/9cJgtW.jpg

grillmaster
08:26:43, 10.05.21

At the end of the season Bosnia had only 1 team. Why did it shift to the USA? I even made a comment about Bosnia losing the tie breaker to another manager at the end of the season. What is the tie-breaker? Just random? Thanks

08:29:33, 10.05.21

grillmaster 08:26:43, 10.05.21 At the end of the season Bosnia had only 1 team. Why did it shift to the USA? I even made a comment about Bosnia losing the tie breaker to another manager at the end of the season. What is the tie-breaker? Just random? Thanks

what do you mean at the end of season? no USA or Bosnian teams got out of the WL groups..

Bertuzzi44
08:45:08, 10.05.21

After the end of the WL Final last Wednesday I checked the stats and Hungary had 4, Canada had 3 with 9 points each. Still on this Saturday before the start of new season. Moreover Canada has 5 teams in the WL (Osawa won it just like the Canadian league so it's not an explanation).

It's totally unfair and shows that the system is really unpredictable...and it's terribly disappointing as that would be the first time to take part in WL.

09:03:06, 10.05.21

Bertuzzi44 08:45:08, 10.05.21 with 9 points each. Still on this Saturday before the start of new season. Moreover Canada has 5 teams in the WL (Osawa won it just like the Canadian league so it's not an explanation).

It's totally unfair and shows that the system is really unpredictable...and it's terribly disappointing as that would be the first time to take part in WL.


Canada has five because one extra spot is reserved for the previous season champion but that is outside the table that we talk about. I am just checking from the DB backup a few days ago and this is what I get. If you have a screenshot that is different than mine I can check it more thoroughly for bugs. For now it seems you just remember it wrong.

Bertuzzi44
16:02:47, 10.05.21

Certainly, I have no screenshot, nobody has a single thought of that could need...

As that would have been the first time in WL, I checked the numbers from day to day. But of course, I cannot prove it.

If anybody has a screenshot of the last day's promotion stats, please upload it, many thanks.

grillmaster
17:13:55, 10.05.21

I don't have a screenshot either, but I do have mail with another manager from Friday (after WL and playoffs were over) saying that Bosnia is really unlucky because they have the same amount of points as the USA but the USA is getting two teams in the WL and Bosnia is only getting one. And then wondering what the tiebreak was. But then the new season started and Bosnia were rewarded two teams and USA only one. I understand that one country is going to be the unlucky one, but why did it switch from Bosnia to USA during the season update on Saturday? Or maybe the system updated but it was never displayed correctly at the end of last season?


 
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