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23:22:56, 10.03.21

jetsdude 19:22:44, 10.03.21 votes.
Chile, zero votes.
Columbia, zero.
Japan, zero.
Kazakhstan, one vote.
Lithuania, one vote.

This is just some of the countries who have 5 voters or less. Every election.

I agree with islander. I always thought it was cool to have so many random countries in this game but unfortunately interest has died down so at some point we have to look at closing these vacant countries.


But what do you do with the B teams in those countries if you close them?

Giraffoden
10:09:59, 11.03.21

The B-teams could be moved to other countries if needed. However, the question might be, if B-teams are really needed.

If I understood correctly, the option to create B-teams was originally made, in order to create more teams to play in "small countries" in order for the managers there to play more matches against other manager managed teams instead of "non" managed teams and thereby making the game more interesting for the managers from these "small countries".

Now here we are, discussing if B-team managers should be able to vote in these "small countries", as apparently nobody else does. Is this not the wrong way around then. As this seems to be sort of looking for a way to make the game more interesting for the B-team managers.

Maybe the better option would be to create international leagues (as we have them for u23-teams) for managers from "small countries", and then, if at a later time there would be a sufficient number of players from a given country, this country could be created in the game, and the respective teams moved there. I think this would be a good solution and would also make the game interesting for managers from "small countries", and if their international league was created as a "country" they could also have a "national" team which could compete in the WC.

I know this "getting rid of" B-teams is easily suggested by me, as I do not have one myself. However, with view to the original purpose of the B-teams, I think this would be a better option.

Temm
04:12:08, 12.03.21

Giraffoden 10:09:59, 11.03.21 countries", and if their international league was created as a "country" they could also have a "national" team which could compete in the WC.

I actually very much agree with your reasoning. It is no secret I am not a fan of B-teams. Making an international league from the smaller countries until a particular country has enough to split off to form their own national leagues is a great idea, not only solving the issues that B-teams were brought about for, but also potentially increasing the flexibility of having countries not currently represented in HA, finally represented as lone entries in the new international leagues.

As for having B-team managers vote in their respective countries, this would remove my seasonal placing my name in the hat for a random chance at being the National manager - an honour I received once. Losing that would increase my B-team bitterness.

If this were ever to be implemented, I'd be willing to help make it happen if icko were to let me help. We iron things out like what would the drafted players names look like in international leagues and so on.

But I know that, now they are here, many would be upset in the B-teams were summarily dropped - so something would need to be done there. So, Giraffoden, overall I think your thoughts are valid here.

04:38:27, 12.03.21

Bad idea.
If you remove the national leagues, then the remaining national managers will leave the game. I know this, I communicate with some of them. Their interest in the game is to support the national team of their country. If the national team of the country disappears, the managers will leave.
Thus, only large countries will remain in the game - Slovakia, Czech Republic, Latvia, Finland, Russia and a few more.
The number of managers in the game will be further reduced.

05:54:38, 12.03.21

Perhaps this discussion is relevant for countries that have no national managers left at all. For example, Japan. Only "B" teams and one manager with registration date 2016 play in Japan.
These "B" teams can be combined into an international league of "B" teams. Let them have their own team and they themselves choose the coach of their national team "B".
Alternatively, you can offer the managers of the B teams from Japan to move to other countries in which there are still national managers. For example, Kazakhstan, Estonia.
It also makes sense to expand the list of countries for the registration of B teams. For example, Serbia has long deserved this.

Temm
18:25:11, 12.03.21

CARP 04:38:27, 12.03.21 Bad idea.

Ok. I think you are assuming extensions to what I've said that are untrue.

My thought here is not to remove all the national leagues, but only those that don't have the manager to make them of interest in HA.
In removing some of the national leagues, I would suggest the resulting combined international leagues (from those teams) still have their individual teams from specific countries, and I do not envision the national teams going away (unless there are not enough players available in-game from a particular country to support the creation of a national team for that country.)

That is, let's say Chile, Colombia, and Japan had their national leagues fold and the teams combined into an international leagues structure. The teams should still retain their country identity, and the national teams from those countries would still exist and compete with players available to those countries. This idea makes it easier for new countries to join the game (i.e. Greece, Turkey, South Korea, China) as the teams would join the international leagues and their respective national teams would be created based on available players, limited at first, but growing thereafter based on the number of teams GMed by users from that country.

Giraffoden
16:42:10, 15.03.21

CARP 05:54:38, 12.03.21 For example, Japan. Only "B" teams and one manager with registration date 2016 play in Japan.

As per league info, Japan has 73 active managers. Are these all "B" teams? That's crazy, in Denmark we have only 40 active managers (as per league info), and we do not have any "B" teams (which I am happy that we do not have).

islander1
17:39:45, 15.03.21

Mexico has 54 total managers, 4 are authentic A teams.

Giraffoden
18:05:19, 15.03.21

islander1 17:39:45, 15.03.21 Mexico has 54 total managers, 4 are authentic A teams.

Sorry, but I do not really see the meaning of this.

islander1
23:12:45, 15.03.21

Giraffoden 18:05:19, 15.03.21 islander1 17:39:45, 15.03.21 Mexico has 54 total managers, 4 are authentic A teams.

Sorry, but I do not really see the meaning of this.


50 B teams.
4 actual Mexican owners in HA.

Giraffoden
10:03:26, 16.03.21

Sorry, bad framing from my side. I understand what you mean, but I do not see the purpose of bringing 50 B teams to the Mexican leagues to play against the 4 actual Mexican players :-)

Giraffoden
10:03:42, 16.03.21

Frasing not framing...

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izy7
18:02:41, 29.03.21

jetsdude 17:51:39, 29.03.21 the only one who liked the old way of bidding on Sponsors better? Before you could try and be strategic and upgrade your advertisers each week...now I can't bid until 1 week left and I just throw everything on max, it's mindless with no strategy. Just putting it out there, would like to go back to the old way.


We are just lazy.
Actual strategy would be to track down your league mates- how long sponsors they get, in which weeks there will be less competitors and focus on bidding in the way that your sponsors end up in weeks when there are smaller competition. I haven't tried that myself, but theoretically there are strategies, just need to pay much more effort than I want to spend. :D


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